Cybernetics

March 7, 2010

Catalan

Filed under: travelling — Tags: , , , — palec @ 3:27 pm

Nearly 4 months already in Barcelona, and What can I say.

Well one important thing for the people here is the Catalan thing…

I have to say when I first arrived in Barcelona, I had no idea that people here talked Catalan. I had heard of the language, but couldn’t have said where it was spoken. It could have been spoken in Greece, South America or Estonia for all I knew (and cared). I must have been told though many times during my spanish lessons. People who had been here must have told me, that “Spanish” is in fact Castillan. I had even been to Barcelona without realizing that people actually talked another language than spanish. I guess it just never ticked.

The plain idea of people talking another language than spanish in spain was therefore a bit of a surprise.

It was simple arithemetics for me: France = French, England = English, Germany = German, Spain = Spanish.

But I was wrong, spain is in fact a multi language country a bit like Switzerland, with multiple languages. Which makes everything here, just slightly more complicated.

So here I was in Spain. Hoping to freshen up my language skills a little, since one of my prime objective here was really to get pretty fluent in another language.

I was initially really happy. That is such an opportunity for me. Not only can I learn 1, but 2 languages, during my stay here. I will become not trilingual but quadrilingual.

Well 4 months later, and my frustration really starts kicking in, since I still cannot communicate in spanish very well. So let alone Catalan. I have learnt to my expense that the learning curve, is in fact really pretty steep.

I have to say my spanish is getting better, and I do feel like I understand a lot more. I have gone from nearly nothing to a reasonable understanding level. And do hope to become pretty fluent in the next few months if I keep working hard on it.

But learning spanish is already pretty hard work by itself. So how about the Catalan. I have been here for 4 month and have hardly had time to learn the local language.

It seems here that in Barcelona, over 80% of the people have Catalan as they mother tongue. And as long as you stick to Spanish, you will never really be fully accepted. Simple things really, you can’t read the sign posts, you can’t read a menu, news papers, when people here talk between each other. Which means that it is always that little bit more difficult to get yourself understood, and to understand what is going on around you.

Spanish in Barcelona is a bit like talking English in a none English speaking country. It will be the language people use for work, but by no means the local language. It is already an effort for most people to talk Spanish, so let alone English or French.

So this is my own experience about this. But what does it really show about the Catalan situation in general. Well from my foreign point of view, it feels like it is much more difficult to adapt in this area than a Spanish talking Area such as Madrid. And that therefore a much less welcoming area to foreigners. And the more foreign people move in, the more the Catalan people seem to use the Catalan language to protect themself against ‘us’, the none Catalan talking people.

Is it very much the ‘us’ thing. Those who talk it, and those who don’t.

Spanish people, will learn it pretty quickly, so will be more easily accepted, than those who first need to learn Spanish, and then Catalan.

It is just an extra step to make, in order to be accepted here.

Of course, you don’t really need Catalan to live here. If the people here, have an interest in you or in a skill you have, they will adapt to you. It is probably a similar thing in all places in the world. In order to be part of a group, you need them to need you, or else you need to be able to communicate easily with them and they will easily find a use in you. It is the first thing really, if you make that effort, then they may try and do the same with you. And if you talk they language, then they will need you to communicate with the others, since they wont be able to talk the other languages.

And this really shows the importance of language in all conflicts around the world. And of all conflicts in general. The ones who can communicate with the one in power will then become the middle man, and will be the one which everyone needs.

This got me researching a little and I found interresting facts about languages:

By far the most spoken would be chinese mandari, although I thought it was english [1].

For French, though it really depends on how you count the number of people who can talk the language. Since a lot more people use French as they working language than as they mother tongue [2].

Catalan is spolen by over 11 million, which is more than Swidish, and nearly as much as Greek, and is placed 75th in the list of most spoken native mother tongue according to [3]

All this is pretty interresting and new to me. There are many other things which come into account when arriving in a country, and trying to adapt. And much more to the Catalan issue and politics than the language. But as far as I am concerned, and for now I will just have to put my head down, and study as much as I can, and as quickly as I can, and as many languages as I can. And maybe if others did the same then this would change a lot in the way people see things, and communicate.

July 24, 2008

facebook, and it’s potential …

Filed under: web — Tags: , , , — paul @ 11:38 am

OK, I just though I should react on the post which I have to say. I found a little of trck from reality.

http://daxey.net/blog/phenomene-facebook-soyez-vigilants#cpreview

And this is the translation of the page:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdaxey.net%2Fblog%2Fphenomene-facebook-soyez-vigilants%3Fcommented%3D1%23c000031&hl=fr&ie=UTF8&sl=fr&tl=en

 

This is my anaylsis:

Je voudrais juste revenir sur quelque point …

 

Le système de contagion virale :

-         L’utilisation des informations des emails, et du carnet d’adresse des comptes msn, et gmail, n’est autorisé que pour le parrainage de contact que l’on souhaite. L’utilisation frauduleuse d’un base de donnée de mots de passe de compte email, serait considéré comme criminel dans de nombreux pays. Ceci conduirait inévitablement à la fermeture, ou du moins au ralentissement de la progression d’adaptation de facebook dans de nombreux pays. Facebook, n’a donc aucun intérêt, à utiliser des pratique de ‘fishing’, qui est l’utilisation des mots de passe de site qui ne lui appartient pas.

-         Il y a déjà de très nombreux site qui cherche à concurrencer facebook comme tu l’expliques. Facebook n’a donc pas interet à utiliser de méthode illégale.

-         Le système viral a conduit à l’adaptation rapide du site par de très nombreux utilisateurs. Ceci est effectivement le point qui crée le buz (à la manière d’un scoop) et qui s’attenura une fois la contamination (communication du site) aura été faite et que la majeur partie de la cible des utilisateurs (15-35 ansutiliserons) le site.

 

La simplicité du site :

-         Il y a très peu de fonction utile, et le site n’est au final qu’un carnet d’adresse dynamique, qui se met à jour automatiquement, avec de très nombreuse application inutile mais divertissante qui s’attache à l’idée de base du site.

-         Ceci permet de garder contact avec les personnes que l’on rencontre au fur et à mesure que notre vie avance, et de ne plus perdre contact, contrairement au ancien réseaux de rencontre, qui n’ont qu’un potentiel de retrouver d’ancien amis. Celui-ci à dans l’esprit de les conserver.

-         Le site est également très simple à adopter, car simple à utiliser (à la manière de google) lorsque l’on arrive sur le site, il ne faut que 5 min, pour comprendre le fonctionnement.

-         Le coté internationnal, contrairement a « copain d’avant » ou « friendsreunited », qui était les précurseur des réseaux sociaux grand public. Ou myspace qui se restreint malheureusement aux artistes ou créateur.

-         Lorsque l’on rencontre quelqu’un, on ne donne plus un numéro de téléphone, ou un email, mais un simple nom permet de retrouver la personne. On est alors libre de partager les données que l’on souhaite (à la maniére d’un blog), et de revoir ou non les personnes que l’on ne connais pas très bien. C’est une approche douce à un site de rencontre.

 

Potentiel d’évolution du site :

-         L’esprit open sources et la simplicité de développement des extensions est également révolutionnaire. Aucune autre API, pour un réseaux sociale n’est aussi simple a utiliser. Et on n’est, malheureusement pour ton analyse, qu’au début de la migration de très nombreuse application utile sur facebook.

-         En gros tout ce qui est possible sur le net, presque toutes les applications windows/linux peuvent potentiellement être migrés en quelques jours sur facebook, tellement l’api est simple d’utilisation.

-         L’équipe de développement est également très dynamique, et apporte de nombreuses innovations régulière sur le cœur du système, qui reste très simple.

-         Ceci permet de présager que facebook, n’est pas prêt de disparaître, et va continuer, non seuelement à évoluer mais progresser dans son adaptation.

 

Enfin, je dis ça… je dis rien… :o)

 

 

July 8, 2008

Flat to rent

Filed under: life in paris — Tags: , , — admin @ 9:34 pm

Flat to rent.

I have bought a flat in Paris recently. This is quite an acheivement for me, 27 years old and now my own landlord. After a long time trying to study, doing a lot of jobs which did not pay much, but in the objective of doing a proper job, I have found stability and a regular salary which means a bank is willing to lend me enough to buy my own little home.

Small of course, 30 square meters, this is like acheiving a status which makes me more or less independent from my parents financially. This also means that I can invite people to stay and help people in need.
But this also means that I need to pay a laon ever month, and makes me pretty dependent to m y job. I was thinking of renting my living room out to help me out a little with the loan.

An aquatence from home who, has been struggling a little more than me to find a place has been staying in my living room from time to time, since he has found a job teaching in a town very near to were my flat is, and he lives over 2 hours away by car. I offered for him to stay to stay a little longger in exchange for a bit of rent. But he now wishes to stay for 9 months, while paying a very little amount. This has put me off a little. This means that my little heaven in which I can invite people to stay will be taken by someone full time.

I have found it difficult to say no. But cannot really accept for him to stay more than a couple of months really.

Now what can I do. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I am sure it won’t be too bad. We have had a few people staying in our homes before never really went wrong. I may not even be here that long, but it may be a good thing for him. And if it can help me out financially.

That is my saying, “give what you can while you can”. “Any thing you do not give will be lost in the end”. I have lived in very small places in the past, and accessing luxury, and large living spaces can wait a little longger, for me I guess. Nother is like helpping others in need.

I have been complaining of feeling lonely since I have moved in. I miss, my cat and my ex-girlfriend on a daily basis.

July 6, 2008

Back from Argentina

Filed under: life in paris, travelling — Tags: — admin @ 11:24 pm

Argentina was lovely. Met wonderfull people learnt a bit of spanish, and fell in love with the country.

I finaly understand those people who go off, and can never come back to Europe. Some people may find them unsettled. But how if they have found something there which will make them mre settled than we ever will be in our own country.

I think I have also learnt a lot. As we say in french ‘les voyages forme la jeunesse’, basicly “you learn a lot through what you experience while travelling young.

Pictures of the trip will follow soon.

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